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thanks all
going to try the chinese 12k:cool:

i dont have a hone m8,thats why i am asking which one to get lol

thanks,what grade stone would you recomend

its a paddle strop

my razor has started to drag a bit it still shaves just,but it is leaving fine stuble no matter what i do or how many passes,i am using a pasted paddle strop with i micron paste on one side and...