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Well, today I tried again with the chin, figuring that if the tips already indicated didn't help I'd go to the butter knife method.

Generally successful - did the entire chin, WTG, and even tried...

oh, and these are all short strokes. This isn't even from, say, the lip down to beginning of the curl of the chin. This is _just_ the curl of the chin. So 1/4" is maybe the entire distance that...

The videos by jockeys are great indeed - especially with the grips. But I do not get a good idea of the actual angles he is using from them, personally. Maybe it's the way I'm watching them.
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Hi all,
I've watched several videos and read posts on dealing with the chin so hopefully this is a slightly different question. I'm more trying to see if this has happened to others.

I'm still...