Thread: Rolled edge? Time to send to honemiester?

I think the OP has pretty much answered it himself , first time with a straight , no experience so doesn't know what the edge should be like, could have been a fine shaving edge when he got it and as many who are starting , the technique wasn't good and then his stropping didn't help

so in short stick with it and get someone to hone for you till you get the shaving and stropping down ,, eventually you,ll get there good luck tc

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

I think the OP has pretty much answered it himself , first time with a straight , no experience so doesn't know what the edge should be like, could have been a fine shaving edge when he got it and as many who are starting , the technique wasn't good and then his stropping didn't help

so in short stick with it and get someone to hone for you till you get the shaving and stropping down ,, eventually you,ll get there good luck tc

+1 to that. No sense mucking about just get it re honed and go from there.

Bob

I sent it to my honemeister and just received feedback. He said the razor was perfectly honed and was not damaged from my stropping technique. He also did a test shave and agreed that it felt harsh and will do a few passes (for free) on a Thuringian to smooth it out. He said it cut his arm hair and passed a HHT.

Well, so, the positive is that your honing is OK!

So, is it your prep, technique or beard? It's difficult. You say your technique is good and you shave with a Feather with no problems. Are you doing very light, short strokes; maybe an inch length for each stoke is what I do at a guess. How is your lather? is it gluggy? Too watery?

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

Well, so, the positive is that your honing is OK!

So, is it your prep, technique or beard? It's difficult. You say your technique is good and you shave with a Feather with no problems. Are you doing very light, short strokes; maybe an inch length for each stoke is what I do at a guess. How is your lather? is it gluggy? Too watery?

I feel my shave techinque is good and I have no problems with my lather. My main issues were the razor not cutting my arm hair and the HHT, but my honemeister said he had no problems with after stropping, which is confusing me no end I'll just have to see when I get it back later on the week. I'll be getting a few other razors back at the same tme so I'll have other razors to compare with.

I have a feeling it's just me being an idiot. I didn't want to listen to the advise that face shave test>arm hair & HHT.
The razor always gave me a decent (not great) shave which 4 shaves in, is not enough time to fully adjust to the transition.
ANyway I'm glad I sent it off, my honemiester has given me detailed feedback and will smooth it out at no charge.

He said the edge has an absolute mirror finish so I have to appologise to the guys at invisible edge for doubting their competence (in fact I feel kind of foolish for having done so). They did a great job, and honed to a high standard. I would have no heistation ordering from them again the future or recommending them. But I'll probably ask them to smooth out the edge.

It is just live and learn. When you start out there are just so many variables it is difficult to sort out what is giving you the trouble. Been there and done that too. Still do it too on occasion. Always something to learn.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

It is just live and learn. When you start out there are just so many variables it is difficult to sort out what is giving you the trouble. Been there and done that too. Still do it too on occasion. Always something to learn.

Bob

+1

This is why I am against changing too many variables and advocate keeping things as simple as possible until you can better identify what the problem areas are.


Honing, stropping, mapping one's beard growth, beard preparation, skin stretching, shaving angle, shaving pressure, are all but a few areas that a beginner needs to come to grips with.

No need to make it more complicated than necessary.



B.

Originally Posted by BobH

It is just live and learn. When you start out there are just so many variables it is difficult to sort out what is giving you the trouble. Been there and done that too. Still do it too on occasion. Always something to learn.

Bob

The troubles were:

The egde was very harsh- confirmed by honemeister.

Not cutting arm hair and hit and miss with HHT - which honemeiester passed just by stropping.

My shave technique with DX I would say gives me 80%BBS across the face consistantly with mostly no nicks or weepers with a professional blade, I am more than happy with my shaves. I have been lathering for DE shaving before using the DX and recently pushed a palmolive stick iinto my cella which IMO produces a ridiculously thick and slick lather.

At this point, I'm thinking my stropping method might not be up to it, though it's not damaging the blade or rolling the edge (again confirmed by honemeister)
I'm thinking maybe 20 laps on the scrub leather and 50 on the premium might not be enough?????
Maybe the carbonsong steel requires more?? I might try 30/80 or something.

End of the week (hopefully) I'll have 9 freshly honed razors in my posession including the TI

Originally Posted by RedGladiator

The troubles were:

The egde was very harsh- confirmed by honemeister.

Not cutting arm hair and hit and miss with HHT - which honemeiester passed just by stropping.

My shave technique with DX I would say gives me 80%BBS across the face consistantly with mostly no nicks or weepers with a professional blade, I am more than happy with my shaves. I have been lathering for DE shaving before using the DX and recently pushed a palmolive stick iinto my cella which IMO produces a ridiculously thick and slick lather.

At this point, I'm thinking my stropping method might not be up to it, though it's not damaging the blade or rolling the edge (again confirmed by honemeister)
I'm thinking maybe 20 laps on the scrub leather and 50 on the premium might not be enough?????
Maybe the carbonsong steel requires more?? I might try 30/80 or something.

End of the week (hopefully) I'll have 9 freshly honed razors in my posession including the TI

Well, you've got the edge harshness solved, hopefully, but you will know for sure when you do your first shave.

Never used a DX so can't say how comparable the technique for one is vs using a straight razor. I have read on here that there is a bit of adjustment needed when transitioning from one to the other though.

I can see combining a Palmolive stick with the Cella giving one heck of a good uber lather.

Let us know how you make out in the end.

Bob

I do 30/70 (stropping) with all my razors. However, I doubt doing too little stropping would really be the problem. I've shaved without stropping at all before and i notice no difference. Of course, if one NEVER stropped the edge would rapidly degrade. Also, if you're new to stropping, stropping for a lot of strokes MAY lead to error; one can get 'sloppy' with one's technique towards the end of 70 laps if one is not careful.

Keep working on your technique; beard prep, angle, etc. It'll all come together for you soon.